thanks, for the idea about mowing down the stalkes, they are cut now, just stubble sticking out, the problem is the large, to huge flocks in the area have not been broken up, and we have 3 big refuge areas, 3 miles of river, and the old fort laramie land, which the birds are using very well, just sitting all day, going from one refuge area to the other,with this bitter cold, maybe they will eat there way from the refuge fileds and start coming in, but thanks very much for the ideas. Stan