Some guides shouldn't even be hunting. I agree with doing what you love but some areas just shouldn't be guided to start with. Good for you for standing up for your hunt, our problem here in Alberta is that some guides pay money to reserve fields. If I had money I would reserve the fields for non-guides, even if I didn't hunt the fields I would want them for other respecting regular hunting friends and families. Guides should be kept to major flyways and low population(human) areas.
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:x :x I am seeing to many guides that believe that because they are in a business believe that they should have the sole right to the waterfowl population and land. Recently I watched a Goose field for 4 days preparing to hunt on the Saturday with my son. I left the area to get our gear on Thursday night and returned on Friday Morning early to watch the flight.
Guess What??? A guide had set up his hunt with permission from the land owner. No problem here accept they told the land owner that if they shot the field today it would not interfere with the hunt of those that would be in the field on Saturday. They Lied to the land owner and to me when I approached them in the field that Friday. The land owner had to come out and remove them from the field. How sadd it is to the guiding profession.
How can we as independent hunters work with the Waterfowling Guides to improve their image yet still have our children grow up being able to do what we were taught by our parents?
Guess What??? A guide had set up his hunt with permission from the land owner. No problem here accept they told the land owner that if they shot the field today it would not interfere with the hunt of those that would be in the field on Saturday. They Lied to the land owner and to me when I approached them in the field that Friday. The land owner had to come out and remove them from the field. How sadd it is to the guiding profession.
How can we as independent hunters work with the Waterfowling Guides to improve their image yet still have our children grow up being able to do what we were taught by our parents?
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Guides want the best fields to keep their clients happy. That is why they pay the landowners to hunt. If you restrict guides to using only non populated(human) areas you might as well say we should get rid of guides completely. Some of the heavily populated areas have some of the best hunting.
Guides give people who can't afford a spread, don't have the time or just simply don't want to mess with the details of a hunt, a chance at an experience that they will never forget. They will do all they can to put their clients on birds. If that means leasing up all of the land then that is what they will do.
Guides are making a living doing what they love to do. Even though they love it, it is still a business and they will do anything to keep it from going under.
Guides give people who can't afford a spread, don't have the time or just simply don't want to mess with the details of a hunt, a chance at an experience that they will never forget. They will do all they can to put their clients on birds. If that means leasing up all of the land then that is what they will do.
Guides are making a living doing what they love to do. Even though they love it, it is still a business and they will do anything to keep it from going under.
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Thanks for the input.
Regardless of the area.
NO GUIDE SHOULD BE MAKING A LIVING BY BUYING UP THE LAND THAT WE LIVE IN AND THE COMMUNITY WE SUPPORT. BUY THE WHOLE FARM AND LIVE ON IT. THAN YOU CAN HAVE WHOEVER YOU WANT ON THE LAND BUT "DO NOT PAY FARMERS TO LEASE THEIR LAND FOR A FEDERAL PROTECTED BIRD IT BELONGS TO OUR HERITAGE IN CANADA. ME MY CHILDREN AND YOURS.
I WILL BE LOBBING AGAINST GUIDES LEASING LAND FOR THE HUNTING OF MIGRATORY BIRDS. I WILL DO THIS WITH THE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT IN ALBERTA AND THE ENERGY AND RESOURCES MINISTER OUT OF OTTAWA.
Regardless of the area.
NO GUIDE SHOULD BE MAKING A LIVING BY BUYING UP THE LAND THAT WE LIVE IN AND THE COMMUNITY WE SUPPORT. BUY THE WHOLE FARM AND LIVE ON IT. THAN YOU CAN HAVE WHOEVER YOU WANT ON THE LAND BUT "DO NOT PAY FARMERS TO LEASE THEIR LAND FOR A FEDERAL PROTECTED BIRD IT BELONGS TO OUR HERITAGE IN CANADA. ME MY CHILDREN AND YOURS.
I WILL BE LOBBING AGAINST GUIDES LEASING LAND FOR THE HUNTING OF MIGRATORY BIRDS. I WILL DO THIS WITH THE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT IN ALBERTA AND THE ENERGY AND RESOURCES MINISTER OUT OF OTTAWA.
Guides do not necassarily take all the land from everybody. All guides do is put their clients in a very good spot for that mornign or evening hunt. It dont matter where a guide sets up you will never be happy. I could set in a field next to you and call and decoy the birds away from you would that be better, but you would still have the field you scouted. Guides are not intentionly stealing fields from everybody. Why dont the farmers say NO when we are leasing the land. No matter what you guys will never be happy.
Kill em close
Kill em close
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No offense to your profession, but commercial hunting will be the demise of the sport. Turn on the Outdoor Channel these days, is this really what hunting is all about?
Yes I'm sure there's a lot of guides out there who do it because it's what they love to do, I just only seem to meet them on the Internet. Where I'm from the outfitters lock up all the land for miles, and the only public land left is overrun when it's not being used by the guides themselves.
Sure guiding is for guys who just can't afford to do it, but the guides I know have big wig execs who could care less about tradition, ethics, etc. but it's just modern day market hunting.
This will lead to a decrease in the hunting population, because only so few can afford it. And when our voting population decreases, and only dollars and cents are used to determine quality hunting, the anti's will pick our state and federal govt's apart.
I'm too old and ignorant I guess to be told otherwise. I've been following the sport for over 6 decades and I see what's coming. In the end it's all about greed.
Yes I'm sure there's a lot of guides out there who do it because it's what they love to do, I just only seem to meet them on the Internet. Where I'm from the outfitters lock up all the land for miles, and the only public land left is overrun when it's not being used by the guides themselves.
Sure guiding is for guys who just can't afford to do it, but the guides I know have big wig execs who could care less about tradition, ethics, etc. but it's just modern day market hunting.
This will lead to a decrease in the hunting population, because only so few can afford it. And when our voting population decreases, and only dollars and cents are used to determine quality hunting, the anti's will pick our state and federal govt's apart.
I'm too old and ignorant I guess to be told otherwise. I've been following the sport for over 6 decades and I see what's coming. In the end it's all about greed.
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I am with yo Johns. I have been hunting for almost as long as you and my father taught me. Ialso have very good friends that guide.
BUT THEY DO NOT BUY THE FARMERS THEY WORK WITH ALL OF US. LETS FACE IT WHEN YOU PUT MONEY ON THE HEAD OF A GOOSE OR DUCK GUES WHO WINS.
'THE BOUNTY HUNTER' JUST LIKE THE CEOS, AND THE MILLIOS THEY GET IN BONUS EVEN IF THEIR COMPANY IS FALLING APART AND EMPLOYEESARE BEING LAID OFF.
SAME MENTALITY WHEN WE SELL OUR RESOURCES.
BUT THEY DO NOT BUY THE FARMERS THEY WORK WITH ALL OF US. LETS FACE IT WHEN YOU PUT MONEY ON THE HEAD OF A GOOSE OR DUCK GUES WHO WINS.
'THE BOUNTY HUNTER' JUST LIKE THE CEOS, AND THE MILLIOS THEY GET IN BONUS EVEN IF THEIR COMPANY IS FALLING APART AND EMPLOYEESARE BEING LAID OFF.
SAME MENTALITY WHEN WE SELL OUR RESOURCES.
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Sux, Im not a land owner and cant afford high doller lease. Only alternitive is public land, good luck. My next option is to hire a guide, if I want to kill geese. What are we going to do? Soon or later you get tired of the same videos. I myself dont mind paying a nominal to fee whack a few birds. :lol: You have to pay to play. :wink:
I wonder how many farmers are not cut in on the guides profits from a hunt? If the farmer only knew that he is giving it away only for another to exploit would he have a change of heart on who he let hunt his land? Chances are he would want to be cut in and that would hurt the guide. \\The guide would not be able to afford all the land he would like without raising fees. If that happens those dollars are not going to hidden from the IRS for long and big brother will want his share thus the end of guides at least the smaller ones that are still knocking on farmers door looking for a freebie. I myself havee considered doing a little guiding but could not see asking more than friendship in payment. How do you put a price on a sport you love and just want to share with others? My advice be your own guide give the farmer a six pack when he says yes and a thank you for your time when he says no but never go in without permission.
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