I say to whit into the call to get my honk with a stress on the whit. It takes alot of practice. I have someone who knows stand and listen to the call. WHen I get the thumbs up I just keep practicing. If I was there I could be more help, but it is hard to explain how to call or at least it is for me. Just keep pluggin and you will get it. I love the Mick Lacy Chinook. It is my favorite goose call.