well fella's i certainly appreciate your help. I have to say that I completely understand your frustration double clucker. feel free to vent any time you feel the need. i too would be teed off to say the least. one thing i can't stand is common ignorance. and that's why i'm her3e in this forum asking all kinds of questions. some may even sound like stupid ones, but i'd rather learn here than do something stupid out in the field. although, being a common p--ck isn't really something you learn. it's just how some people are. what comes around goes around. may take time, but it always goes back around. have a good one, and be safe. thanks again1