HEVI-METAL AND PATTERNMASTER

[gooseman1]

Please share your results if you have used this combo, thanks!

[SPatrick]

I personally run HEVI shot chokes, put most of my buddies use Patternmasters, with HM and they love it. Great patterns and they smoke some birds for sure. Cant go wrong with that Combo.

[loufaulkner]

I'm with SPatrick, I use HeviShot chokes, but I did shoot a Kicks and it didn't pattern Hevi Metal well at all. Went back to my factory chokes in my Xtrema 2 before I bought the HeviShot ones. Sorry, honestly don't know of anyone who shoots a PM and HM strictly enough to give you any results.

[cashman]

I haven't seen the results, but I'd hate to see a bird taken with that combo inside of thirty yards... I'm pretty sure inside of twenty that combo could remove heads... or tails... or gut the dang thing for you...

[SPatrick]

I have seen a couple guttings this year already with this combo. Hevi metal with ER PM at 8 yards...not so much

[Whackin-N-Stackin]

have to agree with spatrick. i shoot a benelli nova with a ER PM and HM and it is absolutely killer on ducks. shot about a case of shells with this combo and i dont think i will ever look back. i have also shot it at geese and it has been deadly also. but all i know is if its within 20 yards and u put the pattern close to whatever your shooting and there wont be much left. great pattern for killing the cripples on the water after a flock comes in and your buddies actaully hit something

[wing seeker]

I used to use the Pattern Master tubes in my Benelli. I switched to the HeviShot tubes and
could not be more pleased. I get significantly more pellets on paper with the Hevi Tubes.

[Boocoo]

Hi,

I use federal tungsten heavyweight in 3" 1-5/8
#4 and 5. And pinnacle bismuth 4,5,6 in same specs as federal
And use code black pattern master, goose in my
Browning over / under, mossy oak one in top
Other in bottom and drop ducks with ease at
75 yards,

[cashman]

Hi,

I use federal tungsten heavyweight in 3" 1-5/8
#4 and 5. And pinnacle bismuth 4,5,6 in same specs as federal
And use code black pattern master, goose in my
Browning over / under, mossy oak one in top
Other in bottom and drop ducks with ease at
75 yards,

Don you want this one or should I ???

[DSM16428]

Hi,

I use federal tungsten heavyweight in 3" 1-5/8
#4 and 5. And pinnacle bismuth 4,5,6 in same specs as federal
And use code black pattern master, goose in my
Browning over / under, mossy oak one in top
Other in bottom and drop ducks with ease at
75 yards,

Don you want this one or should I ???

Naw...You go head Honk... HUNT EM UP!!

[cashman]

Hi,

I use federal tungsten heavyweight in 3" 1-5/8
#4 and 5. And pinnacle bismuth 4,5,6 in same specs as federal
And use code black pattern master, goose in my
Browning over / under, mossy oak one in top
Other in bottom and drop ducks with ease at
75 yards,

Boocoo buddy... First off, welcome the GHC

Now as to your post... if you're dropping ducks at ease at 75 yards you must be on the dang U.S. olympic shooting team. Most of the guys I know struggle hitting a dang mallard at 35yards let alone something twice that... If you've got to consistently take 75 yard shots to drop a quacker, you probably could benifit from A) a little patience or B) a Mojo or C) a duck call. While I'm not doubting that the load is capable of carring the energy needed for such a shot, the ethics of taking one at that range are boardline at best. We aren't talking about a duck sitting on the water, but a bird moving at 30mph plus, at 75 yards... "at ease" is not really how I'd describe it, more like "why did you do that?"

[DSM16428]

I see a lot of posts on how "Joe Hunter" "kills ducks and geese regularly" at these rediculous ranges (75-100 yards). What these guys don't understand is how far a pellet DROPS at those ranges and how much LEAD you would have to put on a bird flying between say 30 and 50 mph or faster and forget about those oblique angle shots... Sure, the pellet may have enough energy to kill the bird, but with most pellets capable, there just isn't enough pattern left past even 60 yards to get it done. To reference another post in the shooting forum where a guy stated that he regularly kills geese at 100 yards with T shot out of his 10 gauge. IMO, the poster doesn't have clue one what real hunting is all about and thinks that it's the gun that does the killing, not the pellet hitting the bird. Factor in lead and drop on a goose flying at say 45 mph, left to right at 100 yards for say a 1 1/4 ounce load of T shot leaving the barrel at around 1600 fps (pretty attainable through handloads with the 10 gauge), and you would have to hold so high, the barrel would above the bird as to completely obscure it from sight. Let alone just the bead on the shotgun blocking out the bird at that range. The lead would have to be measured in YARDS, not feet, so unless you graduated from the Top Gun school of bird shooting and you're using a mini gun, I am forced to call BS on every single one of these kind of posts. Like I said...I'll leave it alone when somebody can show me DOCUMENTED and RECORDED PROOF of their claims. Until then though.
dsapp, feel free to chime in here as I know you shoot alot of the bigger htl stuff, and if anybody else has a take on this, please, feel free to add.

[SPatrick]

ehhh...yes and no to this one. The High density loads obviously carry more energy down range, Killing ducks or geese at those long yardages is for sure possible, I have seen it done, with ease...Not really. The ammo will do the job, that is not a question, but it comes down to the shooter, as well as environmental factors. I consider long range anything past 50, in my book thats a poke, alot of guys who drop one at 50 truly think its 80. In my waterfowling career I have only witnessed one 77+ yard hail mary connect and stone a bird, and it was after the birds had already been shot into and were getting out. The only reason I know it was 77+ was because I provided the ammo and stepped it off. The bird was shot at the 75 to 77 yard range and fell stone dead to about 85 yard range. The fall distance is also one thing most people forget to calculate when talking about long yardage shots on birds.

[field-n-feathers]

What these guys don't understand is how far a pellet DROPS at those ranges and how much LEAD you would have to put on a bird flying between say 30 and 50 mph or faster and forget about those oblique angle shots...

LEAD you say......Yep, it's about 10 feet at 70 yards.....give or take a few feet.

[DSM16428]

What these guys don't understand is how far a pellet DROPS at those ranges and how much LEAD you would have to put on a bird flying between say 30 and 50 mph or faster and forget about those oblique angle shots...

LEAD you say......Yep, it's about 10 feet at 70 yards.....give or take a few feet.

I know right?! AT LEAST! Imagine those "hundred yarders"!!

[MNhunter3781]

I have a maxus and I shoot Hevi-metal 3.5 inch bb load with a extended range pm. Good combo seems to smash the geese with no problem

[Boocoo]

Cashman,

You can think what you like about how far
I make a hit on a passing waterfowl, I'm not
Saying I do it all the time but I do make the
The shot.
Go get some
federal tungsten 12 bore heavyweight in 3" 1-5/8
#4 and 5. And pinnacle bismuth 4,5,6 in same specs as federal
And code black pattern master, goose Extenden range,

You should try it, It"s called shooting at passing
Fowl, Give a lead of about 30 plus yards still moving
and following through away from target at a slow pace and
They will drop. Now you will go through some
Tungsten and it's hard to pull the trigger when
You see nothing in your sites. Try it and then come
Back and reply, also Watch your tonge before you call me a liar, I'm
Only 5 hours north of you and hunt on open
Waters between LI And Ct. If you can't make the shoot
I will show you on a passer.
Leading something not in your sites

[cashman]

Cashman,

You can think what you like about how far
I make a hit on a passing waterfowl, I'm not
Saying I do it all the time but I do make the
The shot.
Go get some
federal tungsten 12 bore heavyweight in 3" 1-5/8
#4 and 5. And pinnacle bismuth 4,5,6 in same specs as federal
And code black pattern master, goose Extenden range,

You should try it, It"s called shooting at passing
Fowl, Give a lead of about 30 plus yards still moving
and following through away from target at a slow pace and
They will drop. Now you will go through some
Tungsten and it's hard to pull the trigger when
You see nothing in your sites. Try it and then come
Back and reply, also Watch your tonge before you call me a liar, I'm
Only 5 hours north of you and hunt on open
Waters between LI And Ct. If you can't make the shoot
I will show you on a passer.
Leading something not in your sites

OOOOOO Kay champ. I think you're missing the point here. I'm not saying you "can't" make the shot, I'm saying you "shouldn't" take the shot. Look, I get the fact that some guys are impressed by this dude or that dude making a shot at extended range, but at those ranges we're talking more about luck than skill and I have too much respect for the animal that I'm attempting to harvest to take those shots. I don't care how much you want to beat your chest and call yourself awesome and say its about "skill." If you want to show off your skill shooting a shotgun, do while shooting skeet, trap, sporting clays, or 5-stand. If you want to show off your skill as a hunter, do it by actually hunting the animal, not taking shots where in your words "you see nothing in your sites" (its sights BTW...). If you want to take 'em at that range and you feel that makes you a better hunter than the guy sitting next to you in the duck blind then have at it little buddy.

[DSM16428]

Plus he says he's only about 5 hours north of you??!! Hope that doesn't put him in PA??!! Using the 3" Federal HW turkey loads...and that's exactly what those are is TURKEY loads, the pellets may carry the energy to kill to around 80 yards but when shooting at fast moving birds, you're just ASKING for cripples. Those loads leave the barrel at a posted 1300 fps...usually a bit slower in reality. You also only have a MAXIMUM of 204 #5 pellets in that load and a MAXIMUM of 161 #4's. I don't care what you may THINK, but that pattern is going to be YARDS in diameter at 75 yards, through that code black choke or not. You'll be lucky to get a pellet every 5-6 square inches at those ranges and a duck could easilly fly right through that kind of pattern...entirely unethical imo at shots other than birds hanging in the wind above you or comming straight on or going away. AND?...a THIRTY YARD LEAD??!! Seriously?! Unless you have your gun mounted on an anti aircraft artilery radar emplacement, there is no way you can accurately judge that kind of lead every single time and expect to not have loads and loads of crippled birds. That is one thing I won't tolerate being posted here...unethical "hunting". There may be a few guys on here that'll agree with your type of "hunting" but I could count that number on one hand I guarantee you that.

[Boocoo]

Cash,

Let's not forget who started the doubt in this
Thread. I can go point counter point all day
, But I will not. Your missing the big picture. I just
Don't sit on my shore land or small island locations
And blast away with the hope of hitting one bird
All was said is it can be done with the correct
Gear and if you have some bismuth/ tung your not afraid
to burn go for it you will be surprised how far
The correct set up will reach.

And by the way if you look at old advertising
From A.h. Fox, Super fox guns, L.C. Smith 3" long range guns and the new super x
Ammo of days long gone they based all advertising for the 3" heavy weight guns / super x
On 75 to 100 yards shots on passing birds. So I guess
They are wrong as well, I own a l.c. smith 3" long range
Gun and 75 is max with bismuth 3" 1-5/8 #5 but they
Claim 100 yards. But as much shooting they did I have no doubt.

And your comments on the little issue and chest pumping I will
Just remain silent.

Back in the day I would not doubt it.

Anything can be done.........